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Sons of Malice

  • So those of us that look around the wiki (like myself) or played the tabletop games in the mid 80s may know of Malal the parton god of anarchy and terror and how he was sort of pulled out of the fold by Games Workshop and later reworked into "Malice" the god the Sons of Malice look to as their patron god. I just was wondering if anyone had their own theory crafting behind Malal as a God and the Sons of Malice that could be worth making note about on the wiki. For example I notice the first shown servant of Malal was Kaleb Daark and in the 40k universe the original Chapter Master of the Sons of Malice is Ba'kel Draak. Now if you scramble Ba'kel  and Draak you may notice that Ba'kel Draak is an anagram For Kaleb Daark. I personally think this was intentional as a was of further linking the two Malal and Malice as in all seriousness whats on the wiki is still just well gathered and worded specualtion but hey this can add to the list of proofs linking the two together

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    • well this fifth chaos god is also a much discused subject, since he came, left and returned. but i find it hard to find any texts or anything about this badboy so its only to wait and see if something shows up. unless ofcourse if someone knows something else, but then they normally post it on his page.

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    • It could be that malals parasitic nature combined with the hatred the other chaos gods show his has lead to him eeping his head down while slowly growing his power.

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    • they say that he works with his chapter "the sons of malice" trying to summon him into the real world so he can destroy evrything.

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    • Well, how I see it is he wanted to be casted out on purpose. And since he pretty much gets his power everytime the Chaos Gods do, he should be a very powerful Chaos God. Especially if one God becomes stronger, Malal also does, too. This doesn't mean he is stronger than the rest, but I for one think he is either the most powerful/second powerful Chaos God. That's another thing that could be discussed. For the Chaos Gods to banish him certainly means he is feared(just like they interferred with the growth of the Imperium and the Emperor because he posed a threat), and seeing as how Tzeentch is pretty much the 'Order' of Chaos, whenever he plans on coming back Tzeentch would most likely be his first target. Malal/Malice is a God that is hard to understand, since he represents something most people can not explain nor understand. I'm sure he will make a major presence to the Warhammer world someday, doing so with a catastrophic entrance.

      No doubt Malal is my favorite Chaos God, just for the fact that he messes everything about Chaos up. The fifth of the Four Chaos Gods ;)

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    • well im not so sure he gets that powrfull as easily as the others four. they all need worship in some way and malal need chaos and anarchy at its most basic form but yet not simple the most strange way to worship. you must hate everything and everyone chaos, xenos and the imperium, so its a rare thing to find that sort of worship since if a man looses to the imperium he normally goes to chaos or maybe the tau, and the other four gods allways look for followers, and if a person gets a quarrel with slaanesh, khorne will take it under its arm for revenge and so on goes the trouble. so it must be a outcast of all the 4 chaos gods, the imperium and any other xenos faction before it goes the malal. it seems atleast.

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    • Probably not, that is speculation though. He could get the minimal of power, or the maximum so this could either make him a very powerful enjoying the show of the present, or a coward hiding somewhere in the warp(though I don't think someone who represents anarchy and terror could be a coward). The other Gods look for followers probably because they need them(besides Khorne) fuel their power and make them stronger, which is probably why Malal doesn't need followers because he gets his power from the others. Ontop of that, anyone inside the Warp brave enough to follow Malal will most likely be hunted down, since the Chaos Gods banished him. It does make me wonder if his followers stay eternally alive, like the other Gods that can resurrect faithful warriors of their faction. Makes sense why the Sons of Malice turned to anarchy like they did, seeing the Imperium backstabbing them, being SM hating Chaos already, and just being human hating xenos judgementally.

      Bokisok wrote:
      they say that he works with his chapter "the sons of malice" trying to summon him into the real world so he can destroy evrything.

      I would like to someday see Malal return, he is probably 100x worse than the Joker from the Dark Knight. Destroyed a city spiritually with a few bullets and some gasoline, imagine what Malal could do since he IS chaos.

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    • a chaos god in the real world, no mather how powerfull, must be a true pain in the arse for anyone. so yea it would be awsome. but with all the warhammer stuff theese days, so does it seem that things are about to stir to something big, (the golden throne is failing, malal is getting summoned into the real world and so on with all going on) so i dont know what will happend :P

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    • Hmm, what I've noticed is that it seems its getting real close to the 42nd millenium(which will hit the Sons of Malice Labyrinth regroup to summon Malice), 42nd millenium will probably start something very dark and worse than everything we've witnessed in the recent years. Wonder if the Imperium could take a Chaos God itself, or else the Emperor would end up releasing hell on Terra to deal with him. Perfect idea for Anarchy if you ask me.

      By the way, is this the thread you had suggested in the other topic?

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    • yupp this is the thread i suggested, just trying to keep topics separeted so it dont become a mess.

      yea it looks like its all comning to a big showdown and i think malice will feed alot on that wich will happend. but still this would all be on the indeviduals perspective of the outcome :)

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    • The 11 sacrafices have already been made, Malice is gonna be brought into the physical realm if GW actually moves the story forward. If they do make a new edition, everybody is gonna get good and f**ked up. The other Chaos Gods and their followers will piss themselves in fear in the face of a true Chaos God made manifest, the Necrons won't be able to stand up against a being of pure Warp, the Eldar... are Eldar; really, only the Imperium, the Orks, and the Tyranids would stand a chance against Malice in a physical form.

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    • Haha, you and I think alike. Let's just hope GW keeps up with Malice

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    • i think that the necrons might stand a chance, since they are the warp users great enemy, and the ctans are the most ancient beeings in the universe. just thinking so tho :P

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    • That's if when or if he is resummoned the mass spamming followers that wouldn't just deal with everyone for him... I'm sure at least 20% of the Imperium would follow him out of fear, being the only God in the Galaxy wreaking havoc against everything that lives

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    • hm, yea i can see the imperium pooping their pants, but if this would happend, something else must go on aswell. The Emperor waking up or primarchs returning. or anything, really up to personal imagination for now i suppose :D

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    • First off I would like to point out that Malice isn't Malal. He is the replacement GW came up with when both 40k and fantasy battle lost the rights to use him over legal issues. Secondly I would like to point out that Malice in this setting is an extremely minor Chaos God. If you want proof then simply look at the fact that you can summon him. The difficulty in summoning a warp Entity becomes exponentially greater as their power increases. There is no ritual under heaven yet concieved that could summon one of the Big Four. Powerwise Malice is likely on the level of an exceptionally power Greater Daemon, which is still nothing to sneeze at.

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    • hm, but they still call him a god. so to say that he "just" had the power of a exceptionally powerfull greater deamon still dont cut it for a god of the warp, no matter how small/big. its still a god.

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    • Not true. In fact it says that some gods are so weak that they expend all of their power simply making a Daemon, in essence becoming a Daemon themselves.

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    • but at one place they can make huge armies and demon princes. but expend almost all their power making a deamon? sounds abit wrong if you ask me :P

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    • Boksiok, he said some gods, not all gods. The Big 4 can probably mass-produce Daemons while other, lesser gods might not even be able to make Daemons.

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    • Exactly. The vast majority of Gods are so weak that they don't even exist for that long. They fizzle out shortly after they come into being. The Big 4 are exception. They not only survived, but thrived. No other CGs come close in this setting. That includes Malice.

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    • hm, but Malice did settle, the only other "god" of the warp i heard of is the god the blood gorgons talk to, not sure his name tho or if he is a god.... i just think that to get the title god you cant get exhausted by summoning a deamon... pff :D

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    • Sadly in this case it is true. You can even confirm it on the Chaos God page on this very wiki. It helps that our friend Malice has no recorced Daemons under his command. Still I don't see why everybody makes such a big de3al about Malice. I agree Malal was cool, but as I said earlier Malice is not Malal. Inf act he isn't even a shadow of the god Malal was supposed to be.

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    • why not? Malal supposed to be bigger or sumething?

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    • Malal was a full blown Chaos God. Renegade or not he was basically the 5th great Chaos Power. Malice most definitely is not.

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    • every daemon that exists is a fragment of a god and every time a daemon is killed/destroyed it's essence is reabsorbed by the owning god, so for every daemon a god creates it's own power is reduced. even the big 4, if they created enough daemons, could be reduced in power to the point that we could simply step on them :) ,of course if they were reduced to such a scale by creating more daemons then the sheer volume of daemons created would be enough to steamroll over the galaxy, possibly in a single day :)

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    • Only if they had bodies to use and a sacrifise to summon them, Callum.

      That is where mortal men and Astartes are superior to the Warp-born.

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    • Even then they wouldn't. They would be more focused on each other. Besides none of the Gods would dare go that far. The Greater Daemons and Daemonic Heralds have wills, and ambitions of their own. None of the Big 4 would dare to expend so much energy that they would be weaker than their subordiantes. It that were to happen one of their generals would defeat, and absorb them.

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    • i wasn't saying they would only that they could. this is just my interpretation on how the gods create their daemons, i don't know how accurate my interpretation is though.

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    • Not at all. You were accurate. In essence each Daemon is created from a protion of their God's energies and given life. Creating Daemons requires an expendature of power on the God's part. If a God makes too many, or Daemons that are too powerful they can critically weaken themselves. If they continue to do so the God in question will extinquish themselves as they use all of their energy.

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    • i'll open ur eyes here ok u see Malice is another name to call Malal as 4 an exampal the tribes of  Scelus the home world of the SoM called him this. i have also look around on the net n found the Kaleb Daark comic in which Malal is in. Malal is not only a god of anarchy terror but also of hate n vengece as seen in the comic as he talk to Kaleb as he promises Kaleb the blood of other choas warrios. unlike the other gods malal can draw power from hatred n fear of him just like the greek god hades. in fact Malal understands humans better then any of the other gods as humans will desire vengeance over power give the situation thats why he dosent have deomens but there isa a deomen knowen as a fury that are created from the souls of those humans that r pretty much outcasts in the wrap. Malal is also called the ati-choas god which means he is in between order n choas those anarchy 4 an exampal V for Vendetta as he was not good but a necessary evil to destroy an unnecessary evil. as for Malal/Malice's 2 names, Malal drives from the name Malala which means "grief stricken" as for his other name Malice means The intention or desire to do evil. as for the colours black n white it litraly represents good and evil like the yin n yang symbol. so i hope everyone now understand malal  

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    • What precisely have you educated us about. First of all any resource referring to Malal by his original name, save for that bit about the tribes of Scelus, is no longer canon. The difference between Malice and Malal from what I have seen in principally a matter of power. Malice is not nearly the god that Malal is. case in point the fact that he was summoned into the Materium. Nothing you said has any real relevance. Nice trivia though.

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    • do ur research

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