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  • So far as we know there are currently 5 chaos gods - Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle, Tzeentch & Malice with Slaanesh the last one formed - largely form Eldar. Chaos is called the 8 fold path indicating that there are 8 chaos gods, but then where are they? My thought is that the remaining 3 are still forming in the warp & considering humanity's domination of the galaxy the next one to emerge should be based largely on humanity. If so what will it's base nature be?

    All the chaos gods at base are formed of certain characteristics:

    Khorne = Bloodlust, War & Rage

    Slaanesh = Depravity & Sensation

    Nurgle = Physical Corruption, Disease & Death

    Tzeentch = Change, Deceit & Treachery

    Malice = Hunger, Hate & Self Destruction

    What will be the chaos god of Humanity's Characteristics?

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    • Umm... No... There are only 5 gods of Chaos(4 if you don't count malice). There may be the 6th, he is mentioned in some legends, don't know if he will ever come to live.

      The 8 fold path is so called because of the eight pointed star of chaos, that's all...

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    • No you have it backwards - the 8 pointed star is the symbol OF the 8 fold path. All of chaos worship revolves around the number 8 & it has some great meaning the most likely being that it represents the 8 gods of chaos & the 8 aspects they represent.

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    • Ok... if you want it so badly, I will give it to you...

      4 fold Pathes are part of Nurgle, Tzeentch, Khorne and Slaanesh. 1 fold path is for Malice, and 3 others are for Minor Chaos Gods: Ans'l, Mor'rcck and Phraz-Etar.

      Now we have all the 8 Chaos Gods! Representing the 8 fold path! Just like you wanted!

      There is nothing else besides that... expect for your imagination of course...

      Your question has been answered...

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    • There is no such thing as a "minor" god - the three you mentioned are not canon as gods they are most likely demon princes that - like may others - masqueraded as gods. Another chaos god is due to emerge we just don't know when & what it's aspect will be.

      My personal theory is that the aspect will be fear & that the god will be at least partly formed with the soul of Konrad Curze. Can you imagine the Night Haunter as a chaos God of fear? The idea gives me goose bumps.

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    • Interesting idea of Curze as a god of terror. Here is a soundtrack for those goose bumps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUzQ3mHp8bs.

      Now. There are minor gods, that is more or less canon. It is said that CSM who adorn their armor with spikes may be doing so in honor of a specific god for each spike. Doesn't have to be the case but it is a practice. Also when Horus went chaos it is said that he turned to the reverencing of a many gods. In the warp there are plenty of entities not aligned to the big 4.

      Lorgar is basically a minor god now. Magnus and Ahriman are trying to get there. Mortarion could be considered a minor god as well. Being the grim reaper essentially. It is my speculation that there are likely a couple hundred minor gods. Malice is never to be put in the same category as the Ruinous Powers sir. He is a minor god. An example that there are minor gods in fact. He is not even close to their caliber.

      I do want to mention that some of the descriptions you provided for the 4 ruinous powers are not entirely correct in my eyes. It is hard to capture their aspects in a couple of words I will concur. To add to what you have: Slaanesh- desire, perfection, excess. Khorne- hate(not malice) and honor. Nurgle- life as well as death.

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    • Since my mind is already there from other threads I just read, wouldn't the...creation or unveiling of a "human" Chaos God be an EoT event, the same as for the Eldar?  

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    • I seem to remember a roguetrader (back in the time of the Rogue Trader rulebook) named Myron Jubalgunn.  I do believe he was prosecuting the concept of the starchild wherein the Emperor would be the new Chaos God, the human ascendant one.

      I still don't see where this is specious or to be ignored;  it really makes the most absolute sense, since he was already just a collection nexus of psychic powers and history made flesh around 50,000 years prior.  All you have to do is kill the Emperor to find out.

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    • The emergence of a chaos god of humanity wouldn't necessarily be as destructive as Slaanesh's arrival was to the Eldar. For one thing humanity is not as uniformly corrupt as the Eldar were at that time. Even so there would be some destructive event but it's likely said emergence would either coincide or follow the final ascension of the Emperor to godhood who would protect humanity from the worst effects. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to find the emergence of a new chaos god to coincide with the purported upcoming end times event for 40k.

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    • Perhaps the answer lies in the emotional base of the Emperor-Chaos god.  They all havea linchpin emotion.  Nurgle's despair, Khorne's anger.  Maybe the Emperor is spawned from hope.  Or faith.  And since he comes from that wellspring, his apotheosis will have ripples along that vein

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    • what is a chaos god, if nmot an amalgamation of selfish behavior, given form in the immaterium.

      slaneesh is joy and sensual input

      nurgle is love for those around you (grandfather nurgle ftw)

      tzeentch is planing to achieve your desire

      khorne is ruthlessly acting towards your opponents/ removing obstacles by force.

      empi is still far far off from attaining any kind of power in that regard

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    • All of you missed something important, for the Chaos God embody all MORTAL desire.

      In this way, the "God-Emperor" is more like "Ynnead", for he embody redemption in death.

      In this way, the "God-Emperor" isn't a Chaos God, because he isn't a symbol of hope, but one of judgment, the final judgment of every soul.

      As the Eldars want to Ynnead to punish their very sin (Slaanesh), Humanity isn't so different.

      At the End, the emperor represent one strong feeling, a mortal desire that lead to a death desire, and it's the vengeance that lead to justice in death. (One reason why even the deamons fear the "deamons" of the legion of the damned.....)


      (I hoped my english was quite....hum.....good^^)

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    • It could be construed that the Emperor is a nascent Chaos god locked in a mortal shell.  The Big 4 feed on souls, Emps (or the Astronomicon through him) is fed 1000 psykers a day.  The Big 4 have daemon princes, Emps has Living Saints, which are essentially human daemons.  Chaos worshipers are particularly fervent in their worship, whereas it doesn't get much more rabid than the Ecchlesiarchy.  The Emperor also has an enormous presence in the Warp, to the point that daemons cannot interfere dirrectly on Holy Terra because thet can't warp in.

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    • 67.186.10.133 wrote:
      It could be construed that the Emperor is a nascent Chaos god locked in a mortal shell.  The Big 4 feed on souls, Emps (or the Astronomicon through him) is fed 1000 psykers a day.  The Big 4 have daemon princes, Emps has Living Saints, which are essentially human daemons.  Chaos worshipers are particularly fervent in their worship, whereas it doesn't get much more rabid than the Ecchlesiarchy.  The Emperor also has an enormous presence in the Warp, to the point that daemons cannot interfere dirrectly on Holy Terra because thet can't warp in.

      The Astrnomican eats the 1000 psykers but otherwise you have a point as does the person before you.

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    • The one problem with the theory that the Emperor will be the next chaos god is that he is a representitve of ORDER the opposite of chaos, why else do you think the Chaos Gods call him the Anathema.

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    • 67.186.10.133 wrote:
      It could be construed that the Emperor is a nascent Chaos god locked in a mortal shell.  The Big 4 feed on souls, Emps (or the Astronomicon through him) is fed 1000 psykers a day.  The Big 4 have daemon princes, Emps has Living Saints, which are essentially human daemons.  Chaos worshipers are particularly fervent in their worship, whereas it doesn't get much more rabid than the Ecchlesiarchy.  The Emperor also has an enormous presence in the Warp, to the point that daemons cannot interfere dirrectly on Holy Terra because thet can't warp in.

      the astronomicon was fueled by psykers before emps was interred in the golden throne as per the outcast dead .. thus useless

      the big 4 all empbody emotions, emps does not in any way do that

      and honestly ever yhuman act empowers chaos, khorne cares nto from whence the blood flows for example.

      Emps would have nowhere near as much power as any of the big 4

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    • Actually quantifying the Emperor's power is tricky as he gets much of his power differently than the Chaos Gods. The basis of the Emperor's power comes from the accumulated soul force of the vast bulk of the human race, untold trillions upon trillions of human souls. The Chaos Gods on the other hand get the bul of their power from a narrow bandwidth of emotion + whatever souls they can steal\seduce into their grasp.

      The Chaos Gods are like parasites devouring & destroying their host while the Emperor is more like a symbiote offering protection & security in return for the souls of humanity. also it's likely that the Emperor's disciplined nature means he is able to wield his power more effectively as the Chaos Gods very natures drive them in ways that are often counter productive. On the other hand if the Human race was wiped out the Emperor would lose most of his power but while the Chaos Gods would also be weakened it would be by much less (they would not be destroyed, the Cabal had that wrong - or more likely were lying as the destruction of humanity was key to their own racial plans).

      In the end measuring the Emperor's power against the Chaos Gods is next to impossible as there are too many differences as well as too many unknowns for there to be any reliable comparisons.

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    • actually yer not really correct in your first paragraph.

      Empi pulls power from the shaman souls, he is in no way directly empowered by faith of anybody (or you would really have to give me proof for that).

      The chaos gods are empowered by every emotion of every sentient being, only things like the nids and the necrons do not empower them.

      Empi could only work against them because he started cutting off their direct impact on the materium by going all atheist and killing off all xenos

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    • Maybe the Emperor could become a warp god of order. It wasn't always a chaotc hellscape.

      Keep in mind I'm still largely unfamiliar the total lore of this universe.

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      Maybe the Emperor could become a warp god of order. It wasn't always a chaotc hellscape.

      Keep in mind I'm still largely unfamiliar the total lore of this universe.

      would not work as chaos itself does still entail other aspects, Khorne f.e. is a god of honour, nurgle is a god of creation

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    • That is true.

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    • Just means that chaos will be nicer if everything is mostly good, they will become mostly good in the sense that they will be closer to chaotic neutral than chaotic evil. they would probably be quite extreme still but not evil.

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    • not really, it only means that chaos is neutral. it only tends to put the individual before the group.

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    • Exactly what I said, Chaotic Neutralish

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    • It does seem like the Emperor is likely to become an official warp god of some kind. It feels like the most likely alternative is that when the Golden Throne finally fails, the Emperor and his true influence, namely the astronomican, will be lost, which could pose a major problem for the decaying Imperium.

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    • not really, chaos got power regardless of things being mostly nice or not. heck, eldar were at their height and murderfucked slanesh into existence


      The astronomicon hs 0 to do with empi, it was there before his internment in the golden throne

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    • My mistake. I thought the Emperor's psychic energy powered as-con, and he needed to be "alive" to maintain it.

      For clarity, what actual purposes does the Emperor serve beyond an object of worship/rotting symbol?

      Going off of my limited understanding, if the Emperor completely dies, the Golden Throne fails completely, and nothing changes, the truth would be smothered, and its spreaders would be silenced/discredited. How accurate is this?

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      My mistake. I thought the Emperor's psychic energy powered as-con, and he needed to be "alive" to maintain it.

      For clarity, what actual purposes does the Emperor serve beyond an object of worship/rotting symbol?

      Going off of my limited understanding, if the Emperor completely dies, the Golden Throne fails completely, and nothing changes, the truth would be smothered, and its spreaders would be silenced/discredited. How accurate is this?

      Not very accurate as  the emp prevents the creation of an Eye of Terra and guides the astronomican from being a giant ball of psyker energy and instead a lighthouse of sorts.

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    • I'll take your word for it, but would his psychic ball, which sounds like a power source that could be hard to replace, persist after, in a hypothetical scenario, his body finishes dying completely, and Throne fails entirely?

      Also, if this happened, and all the roles served by goldy's psychic residue are filled with replacemen's, would groups like the inquisition bury that fact that he's gone, assuming there are no large scale events that can't be hidden?

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    • Sentry 616 wrote:
      I'll take your word for it, but would his psychic ball, which sounds like a power source that could be hard to replace, persist after, in a hypothetical scenario, his body finishes dying completely, and Throne fails entirely?

      Also, if this happened, and all the roles served by goldy's psychic residue are filled with replacemen's, would groups like the inquisition bury that fact that he's gone, assuming there are no large scale events that can't be hidden?

      again there would be the Eye of Terror on Terra, but apart from that the Inquisition would bury it and than someone like Gulliman or the alpha legion would say it.

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    • Would say the truth or say the big Idiots' lies?

      I'm more of a tech guy, and looking into just into is taking some time.

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    • I think everyone is missing one really big important fact.  The Emperor is the coalesced sum of a bunch of shamans who didn't want to be devoured by daemons when they died (before they could reincarnate).  His tremendous psychic power effectively made him immortal and superhuman, but he's still basically just a really Really powerful shaman/psyker.  If he dies, what's stopping him from reincarnating? 

      Granted, he would have to avoid being devoured by one of the chaos gods aaand...the whole human gate into the webway under his throne would unleash a horde of daemons on Terra, but I don't think the event would be sufficiently cataclysmic to generate a new Eye of Terror.  Part of what created the Eye was, as SanguiniousLives pointed out, the Eldar were pretty uniformly corrupt by their decadent pursuits, but I would also point out that they, both as individuals and as a species, had a much more intense impact on the Warp realm than humans do.  Comparing Emperor's true death to the events that created Slannesh is like comparing a tsunami from an earthquake to a supernova.  Yeah, there's devastation, but the scale is wildly different. 

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    • one could argue that humanity still has a higher impact than the eldar as the eldar empire wassmaller than what is now the eye of terror, aka less planets, less individuals (which were more potent psykers, but given humanities numbers , that seems to be mroe than countered)

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    • cool insults and honestly: many more options arise

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    • My own 2 cents:

      The Emperor is a Chaos God of ORDER

      Bear with me a moment please:

      The Immaterium, Chaos, contains witin all possibilities - including the possibility of structure.

      In Real Life, time and time again it is proven that structures, an order, can spontenously arise in chaotic circumstances.Often, these structures try to grow and further organise the chaos around it.

      The crystallisation of minerals out of over-saturated solutions, or ice forming out of water, comes to mind.

      The Emperor that started as the collective reincarnation of Earth's early shamans is then the seed of a growing organised structure in the soup of Chaos. In a sense, He is Malice Plus: Malice is Chaos turning on Chaos, the Emperor is Order out of Chaos turning on Chaos.

      The Emperor is Anathema to the Chaos gods, but at the same time does them a BIG favor: a common enemy, and nothing is as Chaotic as destroying Order.

      Khorne would have less mass-carnage without organised armies, and less new weaponry without organised weapon research.

      Nurgle would have less masses of people to infect without civilasation making those masses possible, and vaccines keep him sharp.

      Without modern technologies, some advanced forms of Desire & Addiction are impossible, and nothing is as tempting as The Forbidden. Slaanesh also (ab)uses the Strife for Perfection, something helped by cultures setting standards.

      In the massive organisation that is the Imperium many folks are at the bottom of the heap, they often have to Hope someting will Change for the better: food for Tseentch. And The Great Schemer likes nothing so much as abusing loopholes, so he profits too from any attempt to create Law & Order.

      So the Big Four is actually the Big Five, as the Emperor is actuually an additional player in the Grand Game between the Chaos gods. 

      Big problem is the Emperor is in arrested development: the Golden Throne prevents Him from dieing, prevents Him from becoming reborn as the Starchild. But without the functions He fullfills from the Golden Throne - guiding the Astronomicon, Soulbinding weak psykers, etc.- the Imperium is doomed and the largest source of Order falls.



      Excuses for my English and any typos.

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    • order is alreay a facet of tzeentch, for withut order no plans ;)



      and as chaos and the formation of any chaos god is not a process directed by events in the materium (meaning no direct influence/control over it), you can basiccally shove emps as chaos god theory out of the window. He is not a warp entity but most certainly a human and as such he may be appowerful psyker but is rther powerless in the immaterium. hich is also  exactly why he never really fought there but only on battlefields of his choosing..

      and thr starchild theory, nice but rather dubious and old lore (inquisition war series) ... I honestly doubt that it can hold true given newer information

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